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Chasewater Railway Museum Bits & Pieces 75 – Feb 1977
The Railway Preservation Society Newsletter
Chasewater News 18 – Part 2
On 26th January Barry Bull, Adrian Pearson and myself (Ian Patterson?) journeyed up to the North Yorkshire area of the NCB to inspect some redundant steam locos for possible purchase. On the way up we visited Rom River Engineering of Lichfield and noticed the unique Kerr Stuart diesel alongside the ex-Cadbury’s North British diesel hydraulic.
Further north we passed the Butterley Headquarters of the Midland railway Project Group. I understand from Derek Cartwright that our Royal Saloon, at present on loan to the Group, is at present undergoing considerable restoration at Derby Carriage Works.
The first colliery we visited was Ackton Hall at Featherstone. This revealed a surprise in the form of Bagnall Austerity No. 2746 of 1944, which had arrived the previous week from nearby Prince of Wales Colliery. This loco is of great interest to me because it used to work over the Shropshire and Montgomery Line. The other engine at the colliery was the purpose of our visit, being No.S119 ‘Beatrice’, a 16” inside cylindered six coupled loco built by Hunslet, No.2705 of 1945. This engine was in excellent condition, the fitters confirmed this, wishing it wasn’t for sale. This engine is of the same class as ‘Robert Nelson No.4’ and others which worked at Littleton Colliery. We also enjoyed a trip down the line to the BR exchange sidings on a diesel with the chief fitter, who told us several interesting facts about the history of the colliery and its locos.
The next colliery visited was Parkhill Colliery which revealed S102 ‘Cathryn’ a six coupled Hudswell Clarke side tank No.1884 of 1955 of the PLA Class. This too appeared in excellent condition but inspection of the boiler report confirmed to the worst our suspicions about its firebox which needed well over £1,000 worth of repairs.
Passing under the footbridge into a very quiet looking Embsay station – possibly the last train of the day? Note the bunting on the station and the stone flags through the gap by the ticket office and cabman’s shelter.
(c) Tom Ireland
North Gawber Colliery revealed a rather battered Austerity Hunslet 3212 of 1945, which was unlikely to be saved. The same colliery also revealed another Austerity ‘Monckton No.1’ HC 3788 of 1953 which is spare engine at the colliery. Out of the three on offer, we have bid only for ‘Beatrice’, an engine of ideal size for use at Chasewater.
The recent ARPS meeting at York was also of interest, several RPS members travelling up on BR, who managed to put an engine with no form of heating at all on the front of the train!
The National Railway Museum is well worth a visit, but the display of small relics is very poor and if the officers there care to visit Winchcombe Museum they will see what can be done with railway bric-a-brac.
David Ingham from Bury, Lancashire, England
One of the two preserved Princess Royals, 6201 Princess Elizabeth at Castleton East Junction signal box.
The meeting itself was of interest as the Annual RPS Award was given to the Princess Elizabeth Locomotive Society, a sister group of the RPS, for their efforts in restoring ‘Lizzie’ to main line condition despite enormous odds.
Well done the ARPS in choosing such a worthy group of so few members as opposed to one of the larger, richer groups, and Well Done the ‘Lizzie’ Society, in achieving such a remarkable feat.
It is pleasing to note that the Police have recovered many of the stolen objects from the museum vehicle, though the fact that the culprits were aged nine and ten is not so pleasing.
Recent acquisitions have included:
1. A diamond weight restriction sign of Sheffield and South Yorkshire Navigation origin (once owned by MSLR)
2. An Oxford Canal Navigation sign.
3. Sharpness New Locks and Gloucester Canal Company weight restriction sign
4. Two different sets of six official LNWR postcards from the early 1900s. One set depicts castles and the other, Welsh Inland Resorts.
We now have 58 different LNWR official postcards, but over 1,000 different ones are known to exist.
ImportantPic from Barry Bull’s Collection
The RPS is organising a Transport Festival at Chasewater Park over the weekend of July 23rd and 24th. This will feature vintage cars, buses, steam rollers and traction engines as well as the RPS. We need your help for this venture, the first of its kind to be held by us. This event may prove vital to our finances this year.
On the second of February an open meeting regarding the financial aspects of the RPS was held. This meeting was very poorly attended despite the fact that many members were aware of its existence. Despite this setback it was decided to launch an appeal to buy the loopline. The people present were seen to represent an accurate cross-section of active RPS members and a majority of the executive committee were present to authorise the steps taken. In brief these were:
1. To set up a fund to purchase the loopline, as a proposed rent of £1,400 per year is beyond the Society’s reach.
2. This appeal is to go under the slogan of “BRIDGE THAT GAP, BUY A YARD OF TRACK”.
3. Money shall be raised by donations, those exceeding £10 or in multiples thereof being certified as representing the purchase of one yard of track.
4. There will be no ceiling on the appeal as in future years the NCB may press for purchase of the northern end of the line.
5. All monies raised will be placed in a Building Society to maximise its purchasing power.
6. This appeal will be fully advertised in ‘Railway Magazine’ and ‘Railway Modeller’ as these are the two magazines with the highest circulation in their field.
7. Handbills will be produced and sent to all interested persons and visitors to Chasewater this year.
8. All RPS members are urged to start the ball rolling.
BRIDGE THAT GAP, BUY A YARD OF TRACK
The future of the Chasewater Light Railway depends on YOU.
Steam Loco Drivers
Albert Haywood, Chairman of the RPS, has asked me to inform all members of the need for fully trained drivers for the season’s trains. To this end, training will be given at Chasewater before the start of the running season. Al persons wishing to be considered should apply in person or in writing to Albert. When a list of all members wishing to take part is gained then a scheme of training and passing out will be drawn up.
Taken from the Mercian June 1965 Vol.4 No.3
There are some changes to the format and content in this and future issues of the Mercian, those that relate to the Midlands Area I shall reproduce – others I probably shall not. The Editorial explains the changes.
Since I took over the Editorship of Mercian last September, I have made a series of major alterations in format, the primary result being the last issue but one, and concerning long term policy, the last issue being the first of its type.
Mercian will now be composed of three sheets – as it has been in the last few issues; the extra two pages being devoted to a series of articles of general interest, for example:
Steam Locomotives of a Leisurely Era by Casey Jones.
Renowned Branch Lines by Tre Pol and Pen.
In the planning stage at present is a series called ‘ARPS round-up’, which will take a look at the background and work of the various societies and companies in the RPS. This will be unique in that the series will be a joint effort between the Midlands area and the London RPS.
Perhaps my most difficult task is trying to cater for all tastes, as each series is not going to appeal to all members. Whereas say, Mr. Gibson’s articles will satisfy all those interested in the evolution of railways, they do not meet the requirements of those who will find most interest in Casey Jones’ articles and vice versa.
One of the aspects not covered yet is that ‘Oh! so neglected’ subject, Carriages and Wagons. Is there anyone amongst our readers who would care to write a series for us?
I hope that you will appreciate the changes, and the authors and myself would like to hear your views on these articles.
Members will be pleased to hear that we expect to take delivery of another locomotive later this year thanks to the generosity of one of our members, Dr. P.G.Plummer who has offered to purchase it for us. Although Dr. Plummer is one of our furthest-flung members, spending most of his time in Germany, he does not let his distance from the depot dampen his enthusiasm.
The locomotive is a Hudswell-Clarke 0-6-0ST built for the Sheepbridge Coal and Iron Company in 1895 (Works No. 431). It was transferred to its present location, Desborough Warren Quarry, Northamptonshire, in March 1951 and was due for withdrawal in July when the quarry closes. It is believed to be the oldest Hudswell-Clarke locomotive still in working order and once carried the number 15. Now it has no number or name, although known as “Sheepbridge No.25”.
Painted in apple green it should be a valuable addition to stock already acquired, and will be of considerable use when we move to Chasewater.
As it will probably have to be delivered by road transport, costs may be quite high and we would welcome any donations to help in this matter.
And Another and Another.
To take this good news still further, we have been donated two other locomotives by the Whitecross Company of Warrington. They are Peckett 0-4-0STs of 1900 and 1904 vintage respectively.
Both locomotives were withdrawn from service by the company in 1961, being replaced by two most handsome Fowler diesel locomotives. They carried names up to withdrawal, the older being ‘Baden-Powell’ and the younger ‘Lancet’ – the nameplates of the latter being transferred to the diesel No.1 and those of the former being acquired by local enthusiasts. Alas! Only the ‘Lancet’ will be able to run again, but we hope to exhibit ‘Baden-Powell’ as a static display.
As parts are common to both locomotives, we should be able to exchange those necessary between ’Lancet’ and ‘Baden-Powell’ to render the former serviceable. The company has also given us all the spares they possess, and have offered to give ‘Lancet’ a boiler test, provided that we pay for the presence of an inspector. In fact the test should be carried out whilst this issue of ‘Mercian’ is in the post.
We will have to pay for transport, so please send any donations to the treasurer.
Sadly the Hudswell Clarke, although we still have the loco, has never steamed here. The two Pecketts fared even worse. The ‘Lance’ (not Lancet) 1038/1906 was scrapped in March 1972, and another Peckett – 1823/1931 was also scrapped at the same time. The Loco ‘Baden Powell’ was in too bad a condition to be moved. The other loco was an 0-4-0F a fireless Andrew Barclay locomotive 1562/1917 – scrapped in March 1973.
North Stafford Wagon
We are hoping to buy a North Stafford wagon from the Shelton Iron & Steel Company of Stoke-on-Trent for £15. The matter is now one of some little urgency, and the fund has been opened with a donation of £2 by the Secretary and myself. Any donations for this interesting wagon should be sent to the ‘Carriage & Wagon Fund’ c/o Hon. Treasurer.
Work is now underway after a rather unprofitable winter, the main setback being the lack of numbers in working parties.
Greatest progress has been made upon the Royal Saloon; the primer of red oxide paint being almost complete. This has to be rubbed down and undercoats applied. With this coach being so large, the process of rubbing down will be no mean task, and anyone skilled in the use of ‘wet and dry’ will be greeted with open arms!
Brian Kinder and Maurice Harper are lavishing their attentions on the E1 ‘Cannock Wood’, and will shortly be giving her another coat of green oxide underpaint, whilst Mike Lewis is giving the GWR Merryweather steam pump a thorough overhaul.
Amongst the freight stock, the L. & Y.R. van is in the middle of a repaint, and is at present receiving an undercoat of red oxide. Robert Ives is doing the same on the Midland Railway crane, which sadly needed this care.
According to information sent in by Mr. Plyer of the Great Eastern Railway Group, our brake coach was numbered 44, and built at Stratford works in 1885. The GER Group own a similar brake to ours, and we offer our thanks to Mr. Plyer who has worked to furnish us with this information. We are wondering whether any of our members could do the same on the M. & C. R. coach which will be structurally complete on the building and fitting of another door.
Our final piece of news is from Roger Bell who says that he hopes to STEAM the ‘Princess Elizabeth’ on June 5th at Dowty’s. On behalf of the Society may I convey to Roger and his wife – who in no small way has contributed to the successful preservation of this locomotive – our heartiest congratulations!
I am pleased to report that due to the appeal in my last report several lapsed members have now renewed their subscriptions, plus a few donations.
A new rule to be proposed at the AGM is that all members not renewing their subscription over a period of three months will not receive Mercian or Forum and as such will be deemed lapsed members. The Society just cannot afford to subsidise these people, especially with increased postal costs.
The committee are now awaiting quotations for buildings suitable for use at Chasewater. We hope to go ahead with plans for the building after the final permission from Brownhills UDC has been granted.
We should welcome help from members who feel they can assist with organisation of the Chasewater project.
Sir Alfred Owen has kindly offered the services of Mr. P. Srear, Director of Research at Rubery Owen to help us in this sphere.
D.A.Ives. Hon. Secretary.
Many people think that when a carriage is successfully purchased all worry automatically ceases. In fact, it is quite the reverse. Apart from the labour required to restore a vehicle there is quite often the question of purchasing the materials required.
I do not intend to bore our readers with details of restoration costs since most people are aware of the price of paint, timber and the like. I would, however, for example, ask just how far a gallon of paint goes in restoring a railway carriage. The answer is, of course, that it does not go very far at all.
So far I have only mentioned common-place materials. Rolling stock consists of many specialised parts which are most expensive to replace if they are worn out. Consequently, in many cases, it costs as much to restore a vehicle as it does to purchase it.
You can help, however, if not by donating money but by donating materials. If you have the odd tin of paint or spare pane of glass we can put it to good use and you will have played an important part in restoring these relics.
F.J.Harvey. Hon. Treasurer
I enjoyed this piece as it showed the stock available for preservation in the early 1960s – Princess Elizabeth would have looked nice in Hednesford and just imagine her in the Heritage Centre now!!
The Mercian – Sept,Oct, Nov,Dec, 1962
From the West Midlands District 3rd AGM
Held in Wolverhampton September 29th 1962
We were fortunate to have with us Mr. Bell, Secretary of the Princess Elizabeth Preservation Fund, and Mr. K Vincent of Dowty Sports.
Mr. Bell mentioned that No.46201 Princess Elizabeth must be purchased on withdrawal from service with B.R. for preservation. As the money will have to be raised very quickly the Society concerned cannot possibly afford a site for the loco at the moment.
The W.M.D. said they might be able to help out for the time being by either accommodating the loco at the Hednesford Depot or with the help of Mr. Vincent to accommodate it at Messrs. Dowty’s Ashchurch or Tewkesbury factories. Not only is this going to save the loco but it would give added attraction to the R.P.S. and may even boost membership in both Societies.
Mr. Cotterell ( Hon. Treasurer of the 0-6-0 ex Midland Tank engine) reminded us that up until now he had not received any donations from any R.P.S. members! He also mentioned that we are going to need a loco for our branch line to pull the stock that we already have, and at the moment this one (last off works) seems to be the most likely. So it rests with us to support these funds and publicise them as much as possible as we all want to see our own train on our own branch line very soon.
The two loco funds were: 46201 Princess Elizabeth £2610 and ex Midland 0-6-0 tank £750. Not much in 2010 but very large sums in 1962!
46201 was bought by the then Princess Elizabeth Locomotive Society straight from BR service when withdrawn in 1962. Initially kept at the Dowty Railway Preservation Society’s premises at Ashchurch, Glos, and then subsequently at the Bulmers Railway Centre in Hereford. When the Bulmers Centre closed in the 1990s the loco moved to the East Lancashire Railway. Since April 2009 it has been based at the Crewe Heritage Centre Princess Elizabeth is one of two preserved Princesses; the other being 46203 Princess Margaret Rose.
News in Brief
Chasewater, the piece of line which the West Midlands District were negotiating for might now seem impracticable for our Branch Line owing to inadequate storage and water supply, etc. This matter has been left pending from the A.G.M. for the new Committee to discuss.
The Mysterious “Gents”!!
In the Autumn edition of Forum it was stated that the W.M.D. of the R.P.S. were negotiating with B.R. for a Victorian cast iron vintage ‘gents lavatory’, its position was on the disused Stowe-by-Chartley station in Staffordshire.
While negotiations were still in progress for the purchase of the above relic, it disappeared mysteriously from the station. B.R. were contacted about the disappearance, they are looking into the matter. Whereas the RPS are of the opinion it was (to quote our Hon. Sec.) the work of some unscrupulous scrap merchant, and he certainly went to a lot of trouble for half a ton of iron by dismantling it and carrying it away.
East Midlands District News
The result of our second membership has been 100% successful. A collection of small relics has been donated by a new member – Mr. R. J. Buckler, including a LNWR signal wire pulley.
The Nottinghamshire members have been very active during the last few months, especially P. Gibbons, who has been concerned with a written survey. The Northamptonshire members too have not been idle. Messrs. Webb, Popham and myself have been occupied with the membership campaign, and Messrs. Gubbins and Buckler have written an historical account of one of our local disused branch lines.
Membership in Leicestershire and Derbyshire is very low. Could members in these areas possibly remedy this?
J. M. Harvey (East Midlands District Organiser)